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Post by demontodemon on Nov 29, 2016 22:52:46 GMT
From the outside looking in, it just feels like players aren't being groomed to maximize their potential when they come to NSU and play for the 1-5 years they are there. Looking at the players who have had success at various positions since this staff has been in place, it's more like "you either got it or you don't". Whether it be physically or mentally, I don't think players are being put in the best position to succeed.
Your thoughts? If any.
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Post by FormerDemonInsider on Nov 30, 2016 13:19:17 GMT
You nailed it on the head, in this post and on the other topic as well.
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Post by James on Nov 30, 2016 13:59:19 GMT
The players that are signed have talent, but are not being developed. Many are better when they get here than they are when they leave. A freshman will most likely get redshirted and be placed on the scout team. If he is an offensive player he will not be involved with the offensive coaches. He will be running an opponents offense with no coaching or development. Same goes if he is a defensive player. During his redshirt freshman year he will spend most of his time standing and kneeling on the sidelines as he watches the older players or transfers get their reps. Once again no development or opportunity to get on the field. As a sophomore if he's lucky and the coaches don't bring in transfers at his position he might actually get some reps. This will depend on his position coach. Some of the coaches don't want the extra players on the field because it means more work for them. Now comes his junior year. He may actually get his chance, but he's so far behind for having done so little for three years he will struggle. If he can figure things out and adjust to the physicality and speed of the game he can contribute. If not he's back to standing and kneeling again. His senior year will be a repeat of his junior year. Other factors to take into consideration are favoritism from the coaches and transfers. Playing favorites at the expense of the team is flat out wrong and assinine. Bringing in transfers and catapulting them into the starting lineup without seeing what your own recruits can do is lazy. Regardless of the exact scenerio the players are not being developed. I have been to many practices and what I've see from several of the coaches is unacceptable. So even if you "got it" there is still no guarantee that you will get to use it on the field. If you don't have it you're not going to develop it here with many of these coaches.
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Post by demontodemon on Nov 30, 2016 18:10:23 GMT
The players that are signed have talent, but are not being developed. Many are better when they get here than they are when they leave. A freshman will most likely get redshirted and be placed on the scout team. If he is an offensive player he will not be involved with the offensive coaches. He will be running an opponents offense with no coaching or development. Same goes if he is a defensive player. During his redshirt freshman year he will spend most of his time standing and kneeling on the sidelines as he watches the older players or transfers get their reps. Once again no development or opportunity to get on the field. As a sophomore if he's lucky and the coaches don't bring in transfers at his position he might actually get some reps. This will depend on his position coach. Some of the coaches don't want the extra players on the field because it means more work for them. Now comes his junior year. He may actually get his chance, but he's so far behind for having done so little for three years he will struggle. If he can figure things out and adjust to the physicality and speed of the game he can contribute. If not he's back to standing and kneeling again. His senior year will be a repeat of his junior year. Other factors to take into consideration are favoritism from the coaches and transfers. Playing favorites at the expense of the team is flat out wrong and assinine. Bringing in transfers and catapulting them into the starting lineup without seeing what your own recruits can do is lazy. Regardless of the exact scenerio the players are not being developed. I have been to many practices and what I've see from several of the coaches is unacceptable. So even if you "got it" there is still no guarantee that you will get to use it on the field. If you don't have it you're not going to develop it here with many of these coaches. You bring up some great points. I would guess there are similarities across all programs when it comes to in-season development of redshirt freshmen just because of the need for a scout team; points to maybe an off-season or position coach issue? From that point if the development problem isn't addressed then, that probably attributes to coaches feeling like they "need" to bring in transfers and the existing underclassmen never get to where they need to be (which is exactly what it sounds like in the scenario you gave). When in reality if they actually developed players the "need" for outside talent wouldn't seem as high. And from the looks of things, transfers either don't reach their potential or fail miserably to meet the expectations that are set for us via interviews and articles. In all, doing all young men involved a grave disservice.
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Post by James on Nov 30, 2016 19:50:31 GMT
"In all, doing all young men involved a grave disservice" is an accurate statement. That is what bothers me the most. I hate supporting a losing team, but not treating these players with the respect that they deserve is infuriating. Many people that have not played college sports don't understand the sacrifice that these athletes make. They put in much more time and effort chasing their dreams and representing the school and community than most people realize. Their schedules would make most students drop out, but yet they are out there day after day all year long working their asses off. Bringing in transfers began as a method for newly hired coaches to find experienced players that fit into their systems. A new coach installing his system needs players that can run his offense and defense. It was a quick fix for an immediate problem. Good programs continue to develop their recruits while the transfers fill in for a short time. Once the coaches recruit their type of players and teach them their systems they generally stop bringing in so many transfers. Our coaches seem to think bringing in transfers is a miracle cure for not teaching and coaching. Some may need to be brought in to improve depth, but to make them starters from day one is wrong. Everytime this is done it punishes a player that CHOSE NSU over other schools by stunting their growth and defeating their spirit. If the coaches put the time and energy into their recruits, transfers would seldom be needed. What is it saying about a coach's ability and competence when they have to rely so heavily on players recruited and developed by other teams!
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Post by seat16demon on Nov 30, 2016 21:36:11 GMT
Can't say that I disagree with any of this in theory, but I am not able to see the practices or have an insider look at the way the program is run. Therefore, I hate to be shouting from the bleachers at something I can only speculate on and not adequately critique. If you guys have a true insiders look at the program, then perhaps you are on to something.
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Post by TB2246 on Dec 3, 2016 13:19:41 GMT
Given that i'am an x player and have a little coaching experience it's obvious to me that there is a talent issue not necessarily a player development issue . Watching the demons play on Saturdays I see matchup issues all over the field. We don't have a talent advantage on anyone, so for us to win we must play an almost perfect game against the middle of the road teams. Our coaches are working hard at coaching up the kids on this roster they just don't have the talent they need . Now given that it is their responsibility to recruit the players that they can win with were not getting it done. Recruiting is a very complicated issue and their are many factors involved. As alumni ,X players and fans the best way to improve the results is to support the recruiting efforts thru your personal support to this program. That's my humble opinion on the main issues effecting demon football.
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Post by NSU2003 on Dec 3, 2016 14:19:31 GMT
Given that i'am an x player and have a little coaching experience it's obvious to me that there is a talent issue not necessarily a player development issue . Watching the demons play on Saturdays I see matchup issues all over the field. We don't have a talent advantage on anyone, so for us to win we must play an almost perfect game against the middle of the road teams. Our coaches are working hard at coaching up the kids on this roster they just don't have the talent they need . Now given that it is their responsibility to recruit the players that they can win with were not getting it done. Recruiting is a very complicated issue and their are many factors involved. As alumni ,X players and fans the best way to improve the results is to support the recruiting efforts thru your personal support to this program. That's my humble opinion on the main issues effecting demon football. I gotta ask...how in the hell does nicholls have talent to win and we don't?!
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Post by TB2246 on Dec 3, 2016 22:06:43 GMT
Which Q.B was better; Forcade or Haack . Forcade 2,482 yds. 18 td's, Haack 1375 10 td's. You don't win at this level without good quarterback play. Forcade a freshman Haack senior transfer, there's one example.
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Post by TexasDemon on Dec 4, 2016 6:19:59 GMT
No, I think his real question is how can Nicholls recruit a QB to Thibodaux that outplays a graduate transfer and we can't? Thibodaux is the butthole of Louisiana (I'm not from Louisiana, but in my 11+ years of attending games I've gathered this much info. Sorry if you're from thibodaux, truth hurts.) and nicholls' program and facilities are, to my knowledge, inferior to our own.. So how do they recruit talent there and we can't? Doesn't make any sense to me aside from these coaches aren't getting it done.
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Post by NSU2003 on Dec 4, 2016 14:42:26 GMT
No, I think his real question is how can Nicholls recruit a QB to Thibodaux that outplays a graduate transfer and we can't? Thibodaux is the butthole of Louisiana (I'm not from Louisiana, but in my 11+ years of attending games I've gathered this much info. Sorry if you're from thibodaux, truth hurts.) and nicholls' program and facilities are, to my knowledge, inferior to our own.. So how do they recruit talent there and we can't? Doesn't make any sense to me aside from these coaches aren't getting it done. Thank you! We should NEVER be out recruited by Nicholls...in ANY SPORT! But obviously they are...combined with having a better coaching staff. I still don't understand why we added Haack...the guy was not impressive during any game.
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Post by Uncle Buck on Dec 5, 2016 8:57:53 GMT
No, I think his real question is how can Nicholls recruit a QB to Thibodaux that outplays a graduate transfer and we can't? Thibodaux is the butthole of Louisiana (I'm not from Louisiana, but in my 11+ years of attending games I've gathered this much info. Sorry if you're from thibodaux, truth hurts.) and nicholls' program and facilities are, to my knowledge, inferior to our own.. So how do they recruit talent there and we can't? Doesn't make any sense to me aside from these coaches aren't getting it done. Thank you! We should NEVER be out recruited by Nicholls...in ANY SPORT! But obviously they are...combined with having a better coaching staff. I still don't understand why we added Haack...the guy was not impressive during any game. Pretty easy. Fourcade is from Metairie which is an hour from Thibodaux and Thibodaux isn't as bad as you think other than it's not off a major interstate. It's actually a pretty cool college town if you spend any time there and not far from New Orleans and Baton Rouge. Houma is 10 minutes away with 35k people and there are over 200k in two parish area. Tim Rebowe is local coach who is popular with HS coaches in south Louisiana. He could recruit to U of Siberia.
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Post by Tb2246 on Dec 5, 2016 13:20:02 GMT
Rebowe was a great hire.
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Post by TrackDemon on Dec 6, 2016 10:13:46 GMT
Rebowe was a very good hire. With that said, there is zero excuse for us to not have a better program than Nicholls.
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Post by Cajundemon11 on Dec 6, 2016 16:45:54 GMT
The nicholls AD made a great hire and they are being rewarded with energy, excitement, and optimism for their football program. They will only improve and get better with that guy. I don't think somehow we "deserve to be better" than them, I just take serious issue with our coaching staff using excuses like facilities and money when Nicholls is in the same predicament we are in along with SLU and they are both winning. Nicholls is headed in one direction, and we are headed in the complete opposite and our AD and SID are too busy beating their chest about the women's soccer team's GPA being top in the conference to notice. At least that's what it seems.
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