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Post by Patrick on Oct 31, 2016 4:46:13 GMT
The tone of that message was argumentative and its not meant to be, so i apologize. The frustration from this season just spills into these posts and I get carried away. Season sucks no doubt, we are just at opposite ends of philosophy on how to turn it around. Thomas and Peveto are not Louisiana guys, and Stoker started to recruit thugs toward the end of his era. Peveto recruited from a stat sheet and Thomas can't recruit at all. Coaching staff holdovers from previous head coaches is not a good start for the next head coach. Common denominator in the rate of success of the past 3 coaches is the AD. I'll be the first to eat crow if your way produces success but, I don't think head coaching changes produce long term success and thus attract real football players to Natchitoches. I will not argue your opinion on the recruiting abilities of any of the coaches, but to say Jay Thomas is not a Louisiana guy is just lying. From Baker, LA, coached at LSU, coached at Nicholls, coached (twice) at NSU, even played ball at S. Miss which is basically a Louisiana school. So say what you will about whether he can recruit, but understand he is a Louisiana guy through and through
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Post by Cajundemon11 on Oct 31, 2016 15:03:48 GMT
Like Patrick said, Thomas absolutely is a Louisiana guy, and Peveto had been at LSU and Northwestern during the good years in the late 90s and knew the recruiting landscape of the state very well. Im rather confused on what your suggesting we should do then. Keep Thomas? If you have someone in mind that has all of you qualifications please share.
So hypothetically, a young energetic coach who has an impressive winning record and conference championships applies for the job. Deep runs in the d2 playoffs and has an efficient offense and clearly just a winner and has proven to be successful. You say pass because he's "not a demon" or has "Louisiana ties"....thats insane to me. Thats what we've done 3 times and the whole "understanding of louisiana recruiting landscape" doesn't mean a damn thing. Do you know who didn't have that mindset? Sam Houston when they hired Willie Fritz from Central Missouri. Look at them now, they have sustained the highest level of success I've ever seen in this conference and he turned them around in one year and turned them into a powerhouse. We have to get over that.
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Post by 88demon62 on Nov 13, 2016 19:26:09 GMT
Like Patrick said, Thomas absolutely is a Louisiana guy, and Peveto had been at LSU and Northwestern during the good years in the late 90s and knew the recruiting landscape of the state very well. Im rather confused on what your suggesting we should do then. Keep Thomas? If you have someone in mind that has all of you qualifications please share. So hypothetically, a young energetic coach who has an impressive winning record and conference championships applies for the job. Deep runs in the d2 playoffs and has an efficient offense and clearly just a winner and has proven to be successful. You say pass because he's "not a demon" or has "Louisiana ties"....thats insane to me. Thats what we've done 3 times and the whole "understanding of louisiana recruiting landscape" doesn't mean a damn thing. Do you know who didn't have that mindset? Sam Houston when they hired Willie Fritz from Central Missouri. Look at them now, they have sustained the highest level of success I've ever seen in this conference and he turned them around in one year and turned them into a powerhouse. We have to get over that. I appreciate the correction on Thomas, apparently didn't know his coaching pedigree well enough. Won't and can't claim Peveto though gents, he didn't learn too much from Goodwin or Miles. Some coaches are destined to become effective assistants, like Peveto and Thomas. Our offense could be sufficient if our defense was better and our offense isn't trying to keep up a scoring sprint that our games have become with the likes of the Sam Houston & McNeese. Coaching philosophies, schemes and energy don't mean jack squat without the football players (or lack of in our situation) to execute it on the field. Good recruiting (good football players) can cover up some coaching and game management deficiencies but, I think we can agree all 3 is needed for a successful program. Sam Houston's AD hires head coaches, ours, not so much. Unless that changes we are destined to be on future forums doing the same thing, hoping for change. Like I said before, Just want wins for the Demons, if they come from your way, great, if they come from my way, great too.
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Post by demonsgoon on Nov 13, 2016 20:01:57 GMT
Like Patrick said, Thomas absolutely is a Louisiana guy, and Peveto had been at LSU and Northwestern during the good years in the late 90s and knew the recruiting landscape of the state very well. Im rather confused on what your suggesting we should do then. Keep Thomas? If you have someone in mind that has all of you qualifications please share. So hypothetically, a young energetic coach who has an impressive winning record and conference championships applies for the job. Deep runs in the d2 playoffs and has an efficient offense and clearly just a winner and has proven to be successful. You say pass because he's "not a demon" or has "Louisiana ties"....thats insane to me. Thats what we've done 3 times and the whole "understanding of louisiana recruiting landscape" doesn't mean a damn thing. Do you know who didn't have that mindset? Sam Houston when they hired Willie Fritz from Central Missouri. Look at them now, they have sustained the highest level of success I've ever seen in this conference and he turned them around in one year and turned them into a powerhouse. We have to get over that. I appreciate the correction on Thomas, apparently didn't know his coaching pedigree well enough. Won't and can't claim Peveto though gents, he didn't learn too much from Goodwin or Miles. Some coaches are destined to become effective assistants, like Peveto and Thomas. Our offense could be sufficient if our defense was better and our offense isn't trying to keep up a scoring sprint that our games have become with the likes of the Sam Houston & McNeese. Coaching philosophies, schemes and energy don't mean jack squat without the football players (or lack of in our situation) to execute it on the field. Good recruiting (good football players) can cover up some coaching and game management deficiencies but, I think we can agree all 3 is needed for a successful program. Sam Houston's AD hires head coaches, ours, not so much. Unless that changes we are destined to be on future forums doing the same thing, hoping for change. Like I said before, Just want wins for the Demons, if they come from your way, great, if they come from my way, great too.
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Post by demonsgoon on Nov 14, 2016 3:06:06 GMT
Like Patrick said, Thomas absolutely is a Louisiana guy, and Peveto had been at LSU and Northwestern during the good years in the late 90s and knew the recruiting landscape of the state very well. Im rather confused on what your suggesting we should do then. Keep Thomas? If you have someone in mind that has all of you qualifications please share. So hypothetically, a young energetic coach who has an impressive winning record and conference championships applies for the job. Deep runs in the d2 playoffs and has an efficient offense and clearly just a winner and has proven to be successful. You say pass because he's "not a demon" or has "Louisiana ties"....thats insane to me. Thats what we've done 3 times and the whole "understanding of louisiana recruiting landscape" doesn't mean a damn thing. Do you know who didn't have that mindset? Sam Houston when they hired Willie Fritz from Central Missouri. Look at them now, they have sustained the highest level of success I've ever seen in this conference and he turned them around in one year and turned them into a powerhouse. We have to get over that. I appreciate the correction on Thomas, apparently didn't know his coaching pedigree well enough. Won't and can't claim Peveto though gents, he didn't learn too much from Goodwin or Miles. Some coaches are destined to become effective assistants, like Peveto and Thomas. Our offense could be sufficient if our defense was better and our offense isn't trying to keep up a scoring sprint that our games have become with the likes of the Sam Houston & McNeese. Coaching philosophies, schemes and energy don't mean jack squat without the football players (or lack of in our situation) to execute it on the field. Good recruiting (good football players) can cover up some coaching and game management deficiencies but, I think we can agree all 3 is needed for a successful program. Sam Houston's AD hires head coaches, ours, not so much. Unless that changes we are destined to be on future forums doing the same thing, hoping for change. Like I said before, Just want wins for the Demons, if they come from your way, great, if they come from my way, great too.
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Post by demonsgoon on Nov 14, 2016 3:15:47 GMT
I appreciate the correction on Thomas, apparently didn't know his coaching pedigree well enough. Won't and can't claim Peveto though gents, he didn't learn too much from Goodwin or Miles. Some coaches are destined to become effective assistants, like Peveto and Thomas. Our offense could be sufficient if our defense was better and our offense isn't trying to keep up a scoring sprint that our games have become with the likes of the Sam Houston & McNeese. Coaching philosophies, schemes and energy don't mean jack squat without the football players (or lack of in our situation) to execute it on the field. Good recruiting (good football players) can cover up some coaching and game management deficiencies but, I think we can agree all 3 is needed for a successful program. Sam Houston's AD hires head coaches, ours, not so much. Unless that changes we are destined to be on future forums doing the same thing, hoping for change. Like I said before, Just want wins for the Demons, if they come from your way, great, if they come from my way, great too. Sorry for the tech issues in posting this. Just wanted to say that four years ago two successful head coaches were offered the job and turned it down. One of them is now at UCA and undefeated. I'm also pretty sure I heard about a successful Division III head coach who had won national championships was in the applicant pool but withdrew his name. He's now head coach at Buffalo. I've heard different stories about why those guys turned down the job.
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Post by NSUinthedark on Nov 14, 2016 14:11:17 GMT
There have been references to that here in the past----like it is Some sort of family secret or something. Considering things That have been stated in this thread it must be way back in the Closet. Just curious as to whether it is something that is still A problem or not. Can it be corrected? Do we just have to live With whatever it is?
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Post by 88 demon62 on Nov 14, 2016 18:15:01 GMT
There have been references to that here in the past----like it is Some sort of family secret or something. Considering things That have been stated in this thread it must be way back in the Closet. Just curious as to whether it is something that is still A problem or not. Can it be corrected? Do we just have to live With whatever it is? Please enlighten me on what you are asking? Coaches that have turned down offers, or administration hijinx (or ineptence) that turns away qualified candidates? To me the common denominator in our lack of success is the person in charge of hiring the head coaches, the AD. Our AD is exactly like Jay Thomas, a great stand up guy.......and needs to go. Burke has been there long enough and his selections have been suspect, to say the least. There was a letter this season that the team sent to the AD questioning Thomas's ability to prepare this team (I got this from 2 different sources, parents of 2 players). Apparently Burke made this known to Thomas and you want to know Thomas's response to the team? "Too bad, I am the only one willing to coach you!" Which lends some credence to Demongoon's reference to the 2 coaches turning the job down. Not exactly the response I would have wanted from my head coach, so much for "team" concept you try to teach/coach. Unfortunately, Cajundemon11 is right, with Thomas having another year on his contract and the financial straights NSU is in, I think we have to endure one more year of this (I hope I'm wrong, though).
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Post by demonsgoon on Nov 16, 2016 18:05:36 GMT
There have been references to that here in the past----like it is Some sort of family secret or something. Considering things That have been stated in this thread it must be way back in the Closet. Just curious as to whether it is something that is still A problem or not. Can it be corrected? Do we just have to live With whatever it is? Please enlighten me on what you are asking? Coaches that have turned down offers, or administration hijinx (or ineptence) that turns away qualified candidates? To me the common denominator in our lack of success is the person in charge of hiring the head coaches, the AD. Our AD is exactly like Jay Thomas, a great stand up guy.......and needs to go. Burke has been there long enough and his selections have been suspect, to say the least. There was a letter this season that the team sent to the AD questioning Thomas's ability to prepare this team (I got this from 2 different sources, parents of 2 players). Apparently Burke made this known to Thomas and you want to know Thomas's response to the team? "Too bad, I am the only one willing to coach you!" Which lends some credence to Demongoon's reference to the 2 coaches turning the job down. Not exactly the response I would have wanted from my head coach, so much for "team" concept you try to teach/coach. Unfortunately, Cajundemon11 is right, with Thomas having another year on his contract and the financial straights NSU is in, I think we have to endure one more year of this (I hope I'm wrong, though). The Thomas hire is definitely the hot topic but it was said in previous posts that we can't attract successful coaches and fact is that was not the case four years ago which is why the other candidates were mentioned. Now as to why they didn't come here is again anybody's guess. Money, facilities, didn't like Natchitoches? Probably all of the above and then some. Yet hires in so many other sports and staff for that matter have worked out very well as evidenced by how many of them have gone on to better opportunities. Hard to figure.
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