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Post by NSU2003 on Sept 9, 2016 0:20:35 GMT
Demons down 14-3, to UIW!!! WTF?...I'm just getting home and haven't listened or looked at stats but this is the exact reason why people like me, who used to make a two hour drive a few times a year for games, have lost most of the interest that I at one time had.
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Post by demonex on Sept 9, 2016 15:49:10 GMT
Maybe what needs to happen is figuring out the factors that are discouraging the first and second coaching choices from taking the job and changing them. The funding and facilities are what they are, but I wonder what other elements contributed to coaches not accepting offers. No offense to the current regime but they had limited success elsewhere, and while our resources might be a shade better, it isn't likely that things will be that much better than they were elsewhere.
Perhaps the change at the top of the institution may lead to something different if a change is forthcoming; I recall a lot of grousing about Dr. Webb's presence inhibiting the last coaching search.
Remembering too, though, that NSU is a destination job for very few; we had someone for whom it might have been a destination job and he wore out his welcome (or others did that for him). It is not highly probable that a new hire would stay if success come (see Steve Roberts) unless there is something that ties him to the region or the institution.
Tough situation either way; seeing a mediocre course with someone who wants the job or enjoying success under someone that is looking for the next job.
Well, these are the times that really tell a team's mettle; bounce back and get the next one, guys. Geaux Demons!
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Post by Cajundemon11 on Sept 9, 2016 16:05:47 GMT
There are about 4 or 5 programs in all of college football that are "destination" jobs. Power 5 schools lose coaches, thats just the reality of college football. IF Jay happened to be really successful here in Natchitoches and got an offer to coach an FBS school he'd be gone in a heartbeat. I couldn't blame him, I don't understand people on this board always harping on how we need a loyal coach to stay. Well they are only going to stay if they are mediocre and don't win. I would love to give a younger successful d2 coach a chance maybe give us 4 years or so to get us back in the playoffs and then take on something at the next level. That's exactly what Sam Houston did with Fritz and look at them now. Im fine with that to be honest. The argument to hire someone "local" or "loyal" makes zero sense to me. Give someone hungry for the job and God forbid "not from Louisiana" as if that matters and itching to take on the opportunity a chance, and if he moves on then great, that means we hired well and will do it again.
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Post by demon16 on Sept 9, 2016 16:12:03 GMT
Cajundemon -- EXACTLY. We're a small FCS school in Louisiana. No coach worth his salt wants to retire here. We haven't sniffed playoffs in 12 years. I don't know about y'all but I'll take it any way I can get it. I would love to say more but honestly Cajundemon said all that needs to be said.
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Post by seat16demon on Sept 9, 2016 16:15:05 GMT
There are about 4 or 5 programs in all of college football that are "destination" jobs. Power 5 schools lose coaches, thats just the reality of college football. IF Jay happened to be really successful here in Natchitoches and got an offer to coach an FBS school he'd be gone in a heartbeat. I couldn't blame him, I don't understand people on this board always harping on how we need a loyal coach to stay. Well they are only going to stay if they are mediocre and don't win. I would love to give a younger successful d2 coach a chance maybe give us 4 years or so to get us back in the playoffs and then take on something at the next level. That's exactly what Sam Houston did with Fritz and look at them now. Im fine with that to be honest. The argument to hire someone "local" or "loyal" makes zero sense to me. Give someone hungry for the job and God forbid "not from Louisiana" as if that matters and itching to take on the opportunity a chance, and if he moves on then great, that means we hired well and will do it again. I agree. Loyalty does not mean that you stay here for your entire career, but it does mean that your whole career depends upon the quality of your stay here. |
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Post by Demonator on Sept 9, 2016 16:47:16 GMT
at UCA and at SELA the next two weeks. Doesn't get easier. Time for immediate changes or start to face the reality of a 1-2 win season.....
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Post by DonewiththeDemons on Sept 10, 2016 14:11:17 GMT
Sad that we are most likely looking at a last place team. I'm sick of these qb transfers coming in and not producing results. Why not stick with a kid that was recruited out of high school rather than relying on castoffs from other teams or JUCO transfers? Sadly, this is looking like a long term rebuild.
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Post by purplestorm on Sept 10, 2016 19:10:38 GMT
I totally agree on the transfer QB thing. Sick of it. Recruit well, bring them in, play them and let them grow. As for the rebuild, how long is long-term? I'm not sure I have the patience for much longer and I dearly love NSU. And I'm the fan that's OK with a 4-7 season every now and again, 6-5 type seasons more often than not and an 8, 9 or 10 win season about as often as the 4-7's. In the end, I think we have four choices at NSU -- 1. Demand MUCH more from this coaching staff because what we're getting is NOT nearly good enough (it is not the players because Rebow has Nicholls State playing UGA off their feet). 2. Find a D2 or D3 coach who wants to move up and can right the ship in two years or so. They are out there and one is at Texas A&M -- Commerce. 3. Move down to Division II because we no longer compete competitively in D-I (FCS) anymore. Sad, but the truth. For the record, I would not want this, but we have to do something. 4. Dump the program and focus only on basketball and baseball/softball. That would kill me, but we have to do something. Meanwhile, in an update, Nicholls State is within two points of UGA with three-plus minutes left in Athens, GA. Boys, based on what I'm seeing, we're WAY behind our Southland peers now and are a bottom rung team in FCS. That just sucks. I hope we can salvage something this year, but this season may sting more than any other sans the 0-11 campaign. If I'm wrong, shout me down. But, I don't see any way this situation can be spun.
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Post by TrackDemon on Sept 10, 2016 20:27:27 GMT
A solid FCS program should at least be able to stay with most FBS teams for a while. Granted there will be some blowouts but we have been absolutely demolished under this current regime against upper tier FCS programs.
Im not expecting North Dakota State levels against FCS but I expect us to be competitive every now and then. Even under Peveto we would be competitive for a while. Right now we just show up, get slaughtered, and take our paycheck. IF Nicholls can go into Georgia and give them a fight there is no reason we can't look halfway competent in a game.
Not calling for anyone to get fired, but things need to quickly change as our program is getting less and less relevant each year. People are already seeing us as a "bad" program. That is never acceptable.
Major FCS competition under the current staff:
2016 vs Baylor L 55-7 (48-0 halftime)
2015 vs Miss State L 62-13 (34-6 halftime)
2014 vs Baylor L 70-6 (49-3 halftime)
2013 vs Cincinatti L 66-9 (35-9 halftime)
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Post by Cajundemon11 on Sept 11, 2016 0:00:09 GMT
Well I just watched Nicholls and they were extremely impressive to say the least. They are going to beat the shit out of us next month.
So if "money" is the reason why we aren't competitive explain to me how Nicholls state, who works with a smaller athletic budget/staff, lesser facilities and stadium, and we pay Jay more than their head coach...just took the #9 team to the wire in athens georgia, meanwhile we are down 48-0 at the half to a baylor team that georgia would destroy? I call bullshit, all we hear is excuses. And these dumbass articles on the website and interviews where Jay just makes one excuse after another about how we lost is going to drive me insane. WE SUCK! just say it, I'm not saying throw in the towel but just call it for what it is..."we aren't good right now, but we'll do everything possible to turn it around" thats all I want to hear. Acknowledge the fact that these kids aren't lined up right, clearly aren't coached well. Nicholls state is going to be good, they are well coached and will knock you out. Good for them.
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Post by purplestorm on Sept 11, 2016 1:27:23 GMT
Georgia would not destroy Baylor. Don't believe that over-hyped SEC fluff. Baylor is legit and would be down right scary had self-inflicted misfortune not peeled away some of their roster. Briles was just about to turn them into something NO ONE would want to play. Baylor's QB and WRs are infinitely better than UGA's right now. Trust me, Baylor would destroy Nicholls, too. Even so, I agree with the rest of your assessment, though. Moreover, I like Jay a lot. I think he's a truly genuine, nice guy. But, like most everyone else, I've had a gut full of watching an inept football team. It goes all the way back to halfway through Stoker's tenure, too. I, like you, don't want to hear excuses, either. If the upperclassmen aren't into it, sit them down and go young and start over because this product we're putting on the field is not cutting it.
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Post by Demonex on Sept 11, 2016 1:31:30 GMT
I wasn't suggesting making loyalty a priority in hiring (although it does appear we have a lifer in coach Mike). The trade off of a vicious cycle of constantly hiring after a few successful seasons is part of the deal. But I was under the impression that, in the last coaching hire, the first two candidates were D-2 guys, both of whom said thanks but no thanks. What made them lose interest? Or were we being played? If memory serves it was the second time one of them had interviewed (Peveto got the nod the first time), so there had to be some interest on his part.
I'm less concerned about where the next coach comes from than I am about figuring out why the job is not as attractive for some, especially once an offer is extended.
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Post by Cajundemon11 on Sept 11, 2016 1:33:26 GMT
The reason they said no was part of an issue that is no longer there. That is all I will say about it, they applied and wanted it but...well I won't discuss it on here because its in bad taste.
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Post by Demonex on Sept 11, 2016 1:39:36 GMT
Stoker's tenure was marred by tragedy on and off the field and a misguided attempt at giving someone a second chance that blew up. He was not without issues himself ( not the best at PR, which is a problem, because I thought he could coach).
Those bad events cast a pall over things, and I don't think they did wonders for the program's psyche.
One point about transfers, the program Fido enjoy a fair bit of success with transfer qbs (McGee, Nall, and, to some extent, Vinson). It's just that the ones of late show more of why they didn't have great success at their past programs. Agree with the sentiments of maybe seeing what one of the younger guys can do.
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Post by Cajundemon11 on Sept 11, 2016 1:41:34 GMT
Georgia would not destroy Baylor. Don't believe that over-hyped SEC fluff. Baylor is legit and would be down right scary had self-inflicted misfortune not peeled away some of their roster. Briles was just about to turn them into something NO ONE would want to play. Baylor's QB and WRs are infinitely better than UGA's right now. Trust me, Baylor would destroy Nicholls, too. Even so, I agree with the rest of your assessment, though. Moreover, I like Jay a lot. I think he's a truly genuine, nice guy. But, like most everyone else, I've had a gut full of watching an inept football team. It goes all the way back to halfway through Stoker's tenure, too. I, like you, don't want to hear excuses, either. If the upperclassmen aren't into it, sit them down and go young and start over because this product we're putting on the field is not cutting it. Georgia would have their way with Baylor, no doubt about it. Maybe not against last years team but with the mass exodus of players and Briles leaving this isn't the Baylor team of the past few years. They will not contend for the big12 title. We made them look like they were better. I don't know if he has another year on his contract or not. This is Jay's livelihood and his family and some of us don't personally know him so I know it seems in bad taste to call for his job. We all have jobs and if we don't perform we get fired. That's the reality of it, they chose coaching and this is the fallout of not getting it done. I don't know what the answer is I just have an idea for what I would do if I called the shots, but i don't and no one on here does. I just care a great deal about this university and am proud to support what used to be a very solid football program and what i saw thursday night was disgusting. I spend 9 hours in a car on gamedays and I just get sick of doing it when I witness what I did against Incarnate freaking word who mind you, had lost to a division 2 team the week before that was coming off a 2-9 season. Alright, rant over. I want this thing to get fixed and I hope Jay does, I just don't believe in him anymore. Thats all I have to say. Fork em. |
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