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Post by TrackDemon on Mar 4, 2016 6:30:04 GMT
Prety simple, we win and we keep playing, we lose and its out of our control.
UNO has improved under coach Sless and will not be an easy win. Hopefully our guys can show up with a chip on their shoulders after getting destroyed by SFA tonight.
On the positive side, the women's team is playing exceptionally well and should definitely have a shot at going dancing. Will mmiss Perez, very exciting player that reminds me a great deal of Judy Clark.
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Post by purplestorm on Mar 4, 2016 9:59:06 GMT
We should probably just stay home and work on next year. This year started out bad and is ending bad. Time to file it away as a lesson learned and take away from it what we can. SFA is the king of the Southland and has been for a few years now. Last night proved just how far apart our once competitive programs are from one another. To boot, Coach Mike isn't playing his expert strategy of two waves and it shows. That's his coaching expertise and he hasn't had the personnel to run it for awhile now. Until we get back to his style of coaching, we won't win the Southland again for a long time. That is unless we get better players, which could or could not happen. Hard to see any better guards than West and Woodley coming in, though. In the end, I'm not sure why we've gotten away from Coach Mike's style of play and it doesn't really matter because we are where we are. But, the good news is the last time we had a season like this, three years later we knocked off a 14-seed in the tournament. However, the last time we had a season like this, we fully expected to lose. That was not the case this season as we all thought 20 wins were possible. That's life, I guess. Finally, the women's team is, and has been, playing lights out. Congrats to them.
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Post by NSU2003 on Mar 4, 2016 12:46:06 GMT
Yea...it started bad and looked like we might finish middle of the pack but the last few games of SLC have been really bad...mainly because we couldn't play defense against UCA, UNO and SLU. We play just a LITTLE defense and we win those three games. We're not just far behind SFA as a program but also several others...how sad as I'm not sure we'll ever be able to reverse this trend with SFA having all the momentum, money, facility and recruits. Congrats to the Lady Demons...this year the tournament field looks to be pretty even between the top 4 teams. I just wish we had another shot at ACU in Prather
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Post by sfateke on Mar 4, 2016 19:17:45 GMT
We're not just far behind SFA as a program but also several others...how sad as I'm not sure we'll ever be able to reverse this trend with SFA having all the momentum, money, facility and recruits. I'll thoroughly enjoy reminding you that an administrator here wrote off SFA's success last season as it just being "their turn:" The conference was dominated by NSU, SLU and Sam for years. Before that it was Lamar. McNeese, TAMU-CC and Nicholls even had their moments. Nobody knows what'll happen when Brad leaves, but the success SFA is having is preparing the program for long-term. You're absolutely right - the money, momentum, recruits, and facilities are unmatched in the conference. This is more than a team having "their turn" at the top. I made the trip to Prather last night since I hadn't seen a game there before. My thoughts on the facilities and game are here: sawmillsports.com/2016/03/behind-enemy-lines-sfa-exorcises-demons-in-nachitoches/
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Post by NSU2003 on Mar 4, 2016 20:15:37 GMT
We're not just far behind SFA as a program but also several others...how sad as I'm not sure we'll ever be able to reverse this trend with SFA having all the momentum, money, facility and recruits. I'll thoroughly enjoy reminding you that an administrator here wrote off SFA's success last season as it just being "their turn:" The conference was dominated by NSU, SLU and Sam for years. Before that it was Lamar. McNeese, TAMU-CC and Nicholls even had their moments. Nobody knows what'll happen when Brad leaves, but the success SFA is having is preparing the program for long-term. You're absolutely right - the money, momentum, recruits, and facilities are unmatched in the conference. This is more than a team having "their turn" at the top. I made the trip to Prather last night since I hadn't seen a game there before. My thoughts on the facilities and game are here: sawmillsports.com/2016/03/behind-enemy-lines-sfa-exorcises-demons-in-nachitoches/Reading your link...It's basically like a rich kid making fun of a poor kid because they're poor and are trying to make the best of what they have to work with. I mean what did you really expect? You ought to be surprised we were able to have success with our facilities and budget. But the "rivalry" and schadenfreud was too much to resist.
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Post by sfateke on Mar 4, 2016 20:54:59 GMT
Reading your link...It's basically like a rich kid making fun of a poor kid because they're poor and are trying to make the best of what they have to work with. I mean what did you really expect? You ought to be surprised we were able to have success with our facilities and budget. But the "rivalry" and schadenfreud was too much to resist. I disagree - what you're describing might be relevant if I were comparing NSU to Kansas State or a Power 5 school. SFA is supposed to be a peer institution (in theory) and rivals get the benefit of comparison. And like I've said before, it isn't like the football facilities there are subpar or neglected. I would go so far as to say I'd make an even trade, your stadium for our stadium (so long as we got to keep the new video board). But I just can't understand how the historic basketball success (and tournament win) for NSU hasn't translated into more than the product I witnesses last night. For what it's worth, I am a big Jalen West fan and I'm perfectly aware that you guys wouldn't be sitting in 11th place had he not been injured. But I've watched SFA reward their basketball program's success with facility upgrades, a $400k salaried coach, marketing initiatives, and fan experience improvements - and NSU made a splash in the tournament years before SFA and they're still playing in Prather. Maybe all the money is going to football, and if that's the case NSU should seriously re-evaluate how many fans honestly care about FCS football versus legitimate DI competition in basketball.
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Post by NSU2003 on Mar 4, 2016 22:27:48 GMT
Reading your link...It's basically like a rich kid making fun of a poor kid because they're poor and are trying to make the best of what they have to work with. I mean what did you really expect? You ought to be surprised we were able to have success with our facilities and budget. But the "rivalry" and schadenfreud was too much to resist. I disagree - what you're describing might be relevant if I were comparing NSU to Kansas State or a Power 5 school. SFA is supposed to be a peer institution (in theory) and rivals get the benefit of comparison. And like I've said before, it isn't like the football facilities there are subpar or neglected. I would go so far as to say I'd make an even trade, your stadium for our stadium (so long as we got to keep the new video board). But I just can't understand how the historic basketball success (and tournament win) for NSU hasn't translated into more than the product I witnesses last night. For what it's worth, I am a big Jalen West fan and I'm perfectly aware that you guys wouldn't be sitting in 11th place had he not been injured. But I've watched SFA reward their basketball program's success with facility upgrades, a $400k salaried coach, marketing initiatives, and fan experience improvements - and NSU made a splash in the tournament years before SFA and they're still playing in Prather. Maybe all the money is going to football, and if that's the case NSU should seriously re-evaluate how many fans honestly care about FCS football versus legitimate DI competition in basketball. I will agree with you on the "the tournament win not translating into more success". That has been a big point of contention for me since then and I have, for years, felt like we didn't take advantage of that like we should have. However the only "historic basketball success" prior to McConathy was many losing season. SFA is in Texas. NSU is in Louisiana. Are you even remotely aware of what the Louisiana state gov't is doing to higher education? Since 2008 NSU has lost tens of millions of dollars in funding. I can't remember the exact figures but something to the effect of 40% of our funding from the state is GONE! No, that doesn't translate into wins and losses but it hurts recruiting budgets, facilities, salaries, etc. Comparing Prather ('64) to Johnson ('74) is not fair. We are both playing in gyms built long ago but Prather 10 years prior to Johnson. Prather was also originally built to not only have basketball games but also as a rodeo arena. That's the odd shape and there isn't much that can be done. You make it sound like since NSU won the game against Iowa that we would all of the sudden have a windfall of $20,000,000 to build a new arena as well as an extra $300,000 a year laying around (not to mention assistant salaries) to pay our coach. We're peer institutions but financially we just can't compete...which is where the rubber meets the road. You can do anything if you have enough money (i.e. Boone Pickens and Okie State and The Fighting Baptists who support Baylor). But rest assured word on the street is that we have acquired the funds to build a new basketball arena. Although I have no idea when it is supposed to be official.
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Post by purplestorm on Mar 4, 2016 23:20:51 GMT
Congrats to SFA for the phenomenal success. You deserve to gloat. It's a wee bit cocky to gloat on our forum, but fully backed up on the court, so I doff my cap to the Lumberjacks. Now, I only have this to add, "First off, good luck in the tourney. I took time out of my busy schedule to cheer you on in the post-season. I was very happy when you beat VCU. However, SFA and their fans should enjoy 'their time' while it lasts because I will unequivocally guarantee you that it will not last longer than 'the cycle.' Not because you aren't worthy because what you've done is terribly impressive, but noone can defeat 'the cycle.' Not even North Dakota State in football. 'Their time' will eventually end, too. In the SLC, McNeese no longer dominates football, Lamar no longer dominates baseball or basketball, SFA ladies no longer dominate basketball and recent stalwarts Sam Houston and SLU in football and baseball will fall victim to 'the cycle' sooner than later. It happens to everyone. And, you are correct that we didn't maximize our opportunities after beating Iowa in the tournament, but even if we had, we would simply fall victim to 'the cycle' just as SFA will in a year, two, five or ten. I just hope you are as astute at being reminded of this fact as you are reminding about your success ... but only on this forum. I see no need to cropdust the SFA forum with antagonism. Peace."
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Post by TrackDemon on Mar 5, 2016 5:33:27 GMT
Hats off to SFA and to the program you have built. We are facing an uphill battle with the state basically taking everything from education the last few years. I have also heard that we are working on a much needed new facility.
Hope you enjoyed your trip and you deserve to gloat a little but do remember that eventually what goes around comes around. You should try a little more humility. I'll be pulling for the Jacks in the dance.
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Post by NSU2003 on Mar 5, 2016 14:44:31 GMT
Congrats to SFA for the phenomenal success. You deserve to gloat. It's a wee bit cocky to gloat on our forum, but fully backed up on the court, so I doff my cap to the Lumberjacks. Now, I only have this to add, "First off, good luck in the tourney. I took time out of my busy schedule to cheer you on in the post-season. I was very happy when you beat VCU. However, SFA and their fans should enjoy 'their time' while it lasts because I will unequivocally guarantee you that it will not last longer than 'the cycle.' Not because you aren't worthy because what you've done is terribly impressive, but noone can defeat 'the cycle.' Not even North Dakota State in football. 'Their time' will eventually end, too. In the SLC, McNeese no longer dominates football, Lamar no longer dominates baseball or basketball, SFA ladies no longer dominate basketball and recent stalwarts Sam Houston and SLU in football and baseball will fall victim to 'the cycle' sooner than later. It happens to everyone. And, you are correct that we didn't maximize our opportunities after beating Iowa in the tournament, but even if we had, we would simply fall victim to 'the cycle' just as SFA will in a year, two, five or ten. I just hope you are as astute at being reminded of this fact as you are reminding about your success ... but only on this forum. I see no need to cropdust the SFA forum with antagonism. Peace." I would say that NSU dominated baseball...as we had 9 SLC titles in a time span of like 13 or 15 seasons.
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Post by sfateke on Mar 5, 2016 17:03:03 GMT
Congrats to SFA for the phenomenal success. You deserve to gloat. It's a wee bit cocky to gloat on our forum, but fully backed up on the court, so I doff my cap to the Lumberjacks. Now, I only have this to add, "First off, good luck in the tourney. I took time out of my busy schedule to cheer you on in the post-season. I was very happy when you beat VCU. However, SFA and their fans should enjoy 'their time' while it lasts because I will unequivocally guarantee you that it will not last longer than 'the cycle.' Not because you aren't worthy because what you've done is terribly impressive, but noone can defeat 'the cycle.' Not even North Dakota State in football. 'Their time' will eventually end, too. In the SLC, McNeese no longer dominates football, Lamar no longer dominates baseball or basketball, SFA ladies no longer dominate basketball and recent stalwarts Sam Houston and SLU in football and baseball will fall victim to 'the cycle' sooner than later. It happens to everyone. And, you are correct that we didn't maximize our opportunities after beating Iowa in the tournament, but even if we had, we would simply fall victim to 'the cycle' just as SFA will in a year, two, five or ten. I just hope you are as astute at being reminded of this fact as you are reminding about your success ... but only on this forum. I see no need to cropdust the SFA forum with antagonism. Peace." This is sports, so of course I'll gloat a little bit. Believe me, your fans did too after Katy in 2013. That wasn't the point of my post though. I browse all the Southland forums because discussion (and the occasional jab) is what keeps rivalries relevant and these games interesting. It also makes for interesting conversation and insight. I'm surprised ya'll haven't been active on the other forums, actually. You should be. I root for the success of the conference because it benefits us all. I'm glad there are talks of a new facility there because along with HBU, UIW and a few others, you need one badly. I don't disagree with your post necessarily about the cycle - and unless the leagues are reshaped, you're probably right. But this isn't success that can be written off to "oh they were just due, etc," like a certain person tried to do last year. What SFA is doing has never been done before, ever, in the Southland Conference. Glad you'll be rooting for us. I'll even forgive this guy when he doesn't: I hate SFA with every fiber of my being...nothing would make me happier than to see them railroaded in the NCAA tournament. I hope they enjoy it because they won't be on top forever... What goes around does come around - and I'll accept what I have coming when we get there. I lost $100 in a bet at BOTPW because of similar confidence - but there's little room for false humility in rivalries.
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Post by purplestorm on Mar 5, 2016 21:45:34 GMT
I'm way too busy to spend time on other forums. I'm lucky to have time to post here. BTW, success is always written off. This is a "what have you done for me lately world." Just look at the Dallas Cowboys. Five Super Bowl wins and they are the laughing stock of the NFL right now because they haven't won a playoff game since the 90's, I think. Insane, but that's how it is. Don't take it too seriously, my friend. Just enjoy the moment. Oh, I can promise you I wasn't one of those fans in 2013 in Katy. Too busy to be there and I refuse to gloat because, well, I've grown up and I fully believe in "reaping and sowing." Call it karma if you like. Good luck in the tourney. I mean that.
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Post by NSU2003 on Mar 5, 2016 22:53:37 GMT
Not looking too good right now...Nicholls all over SLU 42-28 in the 2nd half. If that continues then it's win or watch the tournament from the couch if we don't beat UNO.
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Post by seat16demon on Mar 5, 2016 23:25:22 GMT
Reading your link...It's basically like a rich kid making fun of a poor kid because they're poor and are trying to make the best of what they have to work with. I mean what did you really expect? You ought to be surprised we were able to have success with our facilities and budget. But the "rivalry" and schadenfreud was too much to resist. I disagree - what you're describing might be relevant if I were comparing NSU to Kansas State or a Power 5 school. SFA is supposed to be a peer institution (in theory) and rivals get the benefit of comparison. And like I've said before, it isn't like the football facilities there are subpar or neglected. I would go so far as to say I'd make an even trade, your stadium for our stadium (so long as we got to keep the new video board). But I just can't understand how the historic basketball success (and tournament win) for NSU hasn't translated into more than the product I witnesses last night. For what it's worth, I am a big Jalen West fan and I'm perfectly aware that you guys wouldn't be sitting in 11th place had he not been injured. But I've watched SFA reward their basketball program's success with facility upgrades, a $400k salaried coach, marketing initiatives, and fan experience improvements - and NSU made a splash in the tournament years before SFA and they're still playing in Prather. Maybe all the money is going to football, and if that's the case NSU should seriously re-evaluate how many fans honestly care about FCS football versus legitimate DI competition in basketball. There is no way you can possibly understand the money problem we face if you live in Texas. There is absolutely no comparison in budgets for higher education and athletics. Texas has plenty of dough, and our state is dead broke and has derailed, defunded, and all but dismantled our higher education. This is not whining, just the truth. Until our economy, state budget and fiscal affairs get on track, there will always be a huge difference in facilities, salaries, etc.
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Post by NSU2003 on Mar 6, 2016 0:30:21 GMT
Done deal. SLU falls to Nicholls. Must beat UNO which will be a tall order as we generally do not match up well with the Privateers...plus we have to beat them in their gym.
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