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Nov 19, 2022 23:09:07 GMT
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Post by Reality Check on Nov 19, 2022 23:09:07 GMT
Yeah, OK. How do we process this game and this season?
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Nov 20, 2022 1:13:15 GMT
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Post by Cajundemon11 on Nov 20, 2022 1:13:15 GMT
Another losing season. Very weak conference allowed us to “compete” for a title but we were really never in contention. We are clearly not anywhere close to being in the upper echelon of FCS football.
This program needs an overhaul from top to bottom. We are undisciplined, sloppy, and cashed it in early today. No fight.
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Nov 20, 2022 2:27:12 GMT
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Post by jneal318 on Nov 20, 2022 2:27:12 GMT
We finish the season at 4-7. A 7th year QB took us to the woodshed and once they were up 21-7...the game was over. I don't know where we go from here. Does Laird deserve another year? Do we tear it down and start over?
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Nov 20, 2022 3:39:19 GMT
Post by oledemon on Nov 20, 2022 3:39:19 GMT
If Demon football is going to come back there has to be changes. Laird has been given 5 years to build a program and no progress has been made. He was a "good ole boy" hire by a friend, from a high school program which was not successful. Hopefully the new AD recognizes that the problem is the head coach.
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Nov 20, 2022 14:10:18 GMT
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Post by Nanner Puddin on Nov 20, 2022 14:10:18 GMT
66-7? Who in tarnation did we play? Alabama? I ain't sure what the answer is, but I'd be learning from UIW's and SLU's success. Whatever we've been doing ain't working well enough the past 10-15 years. Dadgum. This was a whuppin' like you'd take playin' a Top 10 I-A team on the road.
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Nov 20, 2022 14:28:49 GMT
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Post by Czech Mate on Nov 20, 2022 14:28:49 GMT
Former NSU OC Todd Cooley has Delta State flying high and in the D-II playoffs. He's the one we let get away because he was attached to Coach Peveto. I am not saying Coach Laird should be fired. I am saying if he isn't let go that he is very lucky. We no longer live in the times of allowing these type of poor coaching performances over three seasons, much less five seasons. Even the fans have responded. Look at attendance the past two seasons. As Cajun stated above, we celebrated beating poorer teams in conference, but we were handily beaten by proper FCS competition and even by Grambling, who is not very good. Whatever happens will happen, but if we measure coaches by their win-Loss record, change is coming. If we measure coaches on building young me into men and allowing everyone to learn on the job, then there may be no change. If the latter happens, the fans will respond again by not showing up unless we fix this program, which is just one level above cellar dweller, and start competing and winning again. Enough is enough, whichever decision is made. If he stays, great, go get better and end this. If he doesn't, I hope we finally hire someone who can get the job done. You don't have to be great very often to stay at NSU, but you do need a better record than what we have seen since 2008. This isn't too much to demand by the admin, fans, and a coach who wants to be seen as capable of getting it done. Maybe Laird stays and we win 8 games next year? Who knows? All I know is this recent run of 3-4 wins a season shouldn't be considered adequate. If it is, this football program is finished.
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Nov 20, 2022 19:14:37 GMT
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Post by demonsgoon on Nov 20, 2022 19:14:37 GMT
Former NSU OC Todd Cooley has Delta State flying high and in the D-II playoffs. He's the one we let get away because he was attached to Coach Peveto. I am not saying Coach Laird should be fired. I am saying if he isn't let go that he is very lucky. We no longer live in the times of allowing these type of poor coaching performances over three seasons, much less five seasons. Even the fans have responded. Look at attendance the past two seasons. As Cajun stated above, we celebrated beating poorer teams in conference, but we were handily beaten by proper FCS competition and even by Grambling, who is not very good. Whatever happens will happen, but if we measure coaches by their win-Loss record, change is coming. If we measure coaches on building young me into men and allowing everyone to learn on the job, then there may be no change. If the latter happens, the fans will respond again by not showing up unless we fix this program, which is just one level above cellar dweller, and start competing and winning again. Enough is enough, whichever decision is made. If he stays, great, go get better and end this. If he doesn't, I hope we finally hire someone who can get the job done. You don't have to be great very often to stay at NSU, but you do need a better record than what we have seen since 2008. This isn't too much to demand by the admin, fans, and a coach who wants to be seen as capable of getting it done. Maybe Laird stays and we win 8 games next year? Who knows? All I know is this recent run of 3-4 wins a season shouldn't be considered adequate. If it is, this football program is finished. Cooley was a train wreck. I’ll leave it at that. Program needs more money to attract more experienced coaches starting with the head coach if a change is made. If not more money for assistant salaries. That’s where people need to be designating their donations and to that point, not enough people including football alumni have been giving at any level. The facility issues (turf, video board, weight room, ESPN, new stadium lights) have been or are being addressed. That’s my take.
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Nov 20, 2022 19:17:33 GMT
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Post by demonsgoon on Nov 20, 2022 19:17:33 GMT
Another losing season. Very weak conference allowed us to “compete” for a title but we were really never in contention. We are clearly not anywhere close to being in the upper echelon of FCS football. This program needs an overhaul from top to bottom. We are undisciplined, sloppy, and cashed it in early today. No fight. So if we aren’t competing (no quotations) the league is good but when we are competing (again no quotations necessary) the league isn’t good? Nice narrative.
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Nov 21, 2022 0:22:58 GMT
Post by Cajundemon11 on Nov 21, 2022 0:22:58 GMT
Another losing season. Very weak conference allowed us to “compete” for a title but we were really never in contention. We are clearly not anywhere close to being in the upper echelon of FCS football. This program needs an overhaul from top to bottom. We are undisciplined, sloppy, and cashed it in early today. No fight. So if we aren’t competing (no quotations) the league is good but when we are competing (again no quotations necessary) the league isn’t good? Nice narrative. This was not a very good football team and benefited record wise from the league being very poor and the weakest its been since i can remember. Nicholls and McNeese having way down years, a transitioning d2 team, and wins over historical cellar dwellars HBU/Lamar. SLU and UIW were the only teams in the conference worth a damn and they combined to outscore us 89-14. We got curbstomped in a showcase game against 3 win grambling, lost to another team in the OVC with a losing record in eastern illinois, and got destroyed on our home field by SE missouri. We benefited from playing the only decent teams in conference last which allowed that "narrative" to continue. This was not a championship caliber team and yesterday was proof of that. Not that hard to understand. But let me know if I need to further explain.
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Nov 21, 2022 0:30:42 GMT
Post by purplestorm on Nov 21, 2022 0:30:42 GMT
I'm not sure I'm buying the money excuse. Money (coaches pay and NIL) has only recently become a huge issue. We've been losing for far longer than the "money issue." Too many coaches winning with nothing in NAIA, D-III and D-II to buy that excuse. We need someone who can at least make us competitive. We lost seven games this year by an average of 33 points each. That's inexcusable. Take out the USM game, we still lost six games by roughly 30 points a game. I don't know any place in the country from NAIA to FBS where this is OK. Not one. Last year the average loss was by about 21 points. The year before was only 10 points, but we lost 5 of 6 games. The year before was about 20 points per game. I don't care if Brad stays or goes, I personally like him, but anyone who thinks this is satisfactory is kidding themselves. I hope Brad stays another 20 years and is very successful, but this five-year stint has been near-disastrous to a program already on its back from the 10 years of struggle before, sans 2014. It all started with the Peveto Promise and it hasn't stopped since.
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Nov 21, 2022 14:47:49 GMT
Post by NSU2003 on Nov 21, 2022 14:47:49 GMT
So if we aren’t competing (no quotations) the league is good but when we are competing (again no quotations necessary) the league isn’t good? Nice narrative. This was not a very good football team and benefited record wise from the league being very poor and the weakest its been since i can remember. Nicholls and McNeese having way down years, a transitioning d2 team, and wins over historical cellar dwellars HBU/Lamar. SLU and UIW were the only teams in the conference worth a damn and they combined to outscore us 89-14. We got curbstomped in a showcase game against 3 win grambling, lost to another team in the OVC with a losing record in eastern illinois, and got destroyed on our home field by SE missouri. We benefited from playing the only decent teams in conference last which allowed that "narrative" to continue. This was not a championship caliber team and yesterday was proof of that. Not that hard to understand. But let me know if I need to further explain. You hit the nail on the head. Other than UIW and SLU the Southland Conference is as bad as it's been in quite some time. Which allowed for the "championship season" narrative. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy the players finally got to experience some sort of positivity after years of none. But as you pointed out, look at the game results any time we played a halfway decent team. Not just losses but really bad losses. I'm not one of those that expects a championship season every year. That is unrealistic especially in our geographic footprint with so many other universities competing for recruits. At this point I would be happy with 5-6 and not getting completely blown out in games against peer competition.
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Nov 21, 2022 17:02:48 GMT
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Post by Reality Check on Nov 21, 2022 17:02:48 GMT
We went into Hammond with everything to play for on Nov. 12. Win there and set up a showdown with UIW on Nov. 19. A tall order, but the buildup felt good like the old days. The motivation to play our best should have been a given. The buildup was the end of the story. We lost to the two best teams in conference by a total of 89-14 in consecutive weekends. End of story. We're not good enough, we haven't been good enough, and if we continue along this same pattern, we won't be good enough in the future. We also hang on to bridge narratives too much. Those are fine when you are competing well. We have not played well in a long time. We were not playing for a share of the SLC Championship last Saturday and everyone knew it, yet that is how the game was sold to the public. The public isn't buying it anymore. Our average attendance this season was about 35 percent of what it was 15-20 years ago. I don't have the answer, but I know what has been happening the past 15 seasons is not the answer.
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Nov 21, 2022 18:09:10 GMT
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Post by jneal318 on Nov 21, 2022 18:09:10 GMT
I watched someone talk about Cooley who is at Delta State, but I want to go bigger picture. Does anyone know who Cooley replaced? Well, I'll just say a coach in the Sun Belt with multiple 10 win seasons in Jamey Chadwell who replaced Ron Roberts who is currently DC at Baylor and former SELA coach. Let's go a step further...why didn't we jump on a hot coach like Willie Fritz? We always look for the good ole boy hire or the hyped up coach that was just a special teams coordinator ultimately. All of the young innovative minds at the D2 and D3 levels...but we choose to be plain janes. I've talked before about us going in circles. This is true because look at the staff now and think about Stoker's last year. We have the DC that coached under Stoker as a head coach and an understudy that is our current DC that he coached with at Sam Houston. What did we change? Not a darn thing. When people say we've been in the same position for the past 15 years...just look at coaching circle. The shining moment in the past 15 years is a win over LaTech...outside of that...we are below mediocre.
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Nov 21, 2022 18:12:44 GMT
Post by camel24hrs on Nov 21, 2022 18:12:44 GMT
Have a grandson I have been raising that has a full ride offer from NSU. He has some other SLC offers as well and 4 group of 5 offers as well, but all of those group of 5 offers are far away. Was hoping he would decide on NSU as it is close to home. But after the season they had and the uncertainty of the future of the coaching staff everything is just up in the air right now. There is a month for things to clear up. Just have to ride things out and see what happens with him. His name is Makhi Reed and he played for Minden High School. Yall can find his videos on Hudl. 6'2" 302 lbs. D lineman.
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Post by purplestorm on Nov 21, 2022 22:54:08 GMT
I have no idea where this program is headed in wins and losses, but I can tell you Coach Laird is a good guy. Administration just extended him another season as most of the team is returning. I guess they see potential in returning him and the rest of the staff. I see your grandson has offers from the military academies. If he wants a military career, that's where he should go. If not, Natchitoches is a short ride from Minden and NSU is a great school academically for a small university. This is truly a personal decision, but he would be well taken care of at NSU and get a solid education. At some point, we need "local" kids to step in and pull us out of the past 15 years and put us back on track. When we were on track, we were sending guys to the NFL annually. Your grandson could be part of that group. Maybe. Thank you for considering NSU no matter what decision is made.
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